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	<title>Comments on: [UPDATED] Rome News-Tribune: Karen Handel a Conspiracy Theorist</title>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://swgapolitics.com/index/2010/03/09/rome-news-tribune-karen-handel-a-conspiracy-theorist/comment-page-1/#comment-7226</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 00:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard:

Where were these groups more than a decade ago when this route was chosen?

They have had PLENTY of time to make their pitch, yet the fact remains that when it comes to congestion relief, the chosen route is the best one. Period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard:</p>
<p>Where were these groups more than a decade ago when this route was chosen?</p>
<p>They have had PLENTY of time to make their pitch, yet the fact remains that when it comes to congestion relief, the chosen route is the best one. Period.</p>
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		<title>By: RichardJames</title>
		<link>http://swgapolitics.com/index/2010/03/09/rome-news-tribune-karen-handel-a-conspiracy-theorist/comment-page-1/#comment-7225</link>
		<dc:creator>RichardJames</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 22:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, looks another opposition group is in the mix. There are better, quicker routes - plain and simple. 

http://www.coalitionfortherightroad.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, looks another opposition group is in the mix. There are better, quicker routes &#8211; plain and simple. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.coalitionfortherightroad.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.coalitionfortherightroad.org</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 14:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Griftdrift:

Actually, my family very rarely goes out to Rome. But there are quite a few Romans who work in the Metro ATL area - and probably a few more who would work in ATL if the traffic situation was fixed, even along PART of their route to/from potential work.

My point is that I have a MUCH harder time justifying taking someone&#039;s home (even if paying above-market price for it) than taking a corner of their land. If this was for some commercial development such as a strip mall or some such, I would be adamantly against it. But this is taking farm and forest land to create a much more efficient pathway between THE largest city in the State and one of the Regional Cities. It serves not only the population of the Regional City (and its County), but also many of the thousands of people that live in central and northern Bartow County as well.

I&#039;ve examined this proposal for a while (mostly because of where I lived at the time), and 411 Connector from the 41/411 split to Ga 20 is truly, genuinely, without a doubt needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Griftdrift:</p>
<p>Actually, my family very rarely goes out to Rome. But there are quite a few Romans who work in the Metro ATL area &#8211; and probably a few more who would work in ATL if the traffic situation was fixed, even along PART of their route to/from potential work.</p>
<p>My point is that I have a MUCH harder time justifying taking someone&#8217;s home (even if paying above-market price for it) than taking a corner of their land. If this was for some commercial development such as a strip mall or some such, I would be adamantly against it. But this is taking farm and forest land to create a much more efficient pathway between THE largest city in the State and one of the Regional Cities. It serves not only the population of the Regional City (and its County), but also many of the thousands of people that live in central and northern Bartow County as well.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve examined this proposal for a while (mostly because of where I lived at the time), and 411 Connector from the 41/411 split to Ga 20 is truly, genuinely, without a doubt needed.</p>
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		<title>By: griftdrift</title>
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		<dc:creator>griftdrift</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 13:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So we get to pick and choose which property owners suffer? Based on how their land is used? Interesting.

No, Jeff. I don&#039;t live along any of those routes. And I know you like to extrapolate anecdotal issues into larger truths i.e. my family has a hard time getting around Rome therefore this must be a good idea.

So, let me give you some more anecdotal evidence about the effects of road building.

The interchange at I-75/I-675 was first expanded to the six lanes and now four lanes with talk of expanding further.

My question.

Better or worse?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So we get to pick and choose which property owners suffer? Based on how their land is used? Interesting.</p>
<p>No, Jeff. I don&#8217;t live along any of those routes. And I know you like to extrapolate anecdotal issues into larger truths i.e. my family has a hard time getting around Rome therefore this must be a good idea.</p>
<p>So, let me give you some more anecdotal evidence about the effects of road building.</p>
<p>The interchange at I-75/I-675 was first expanded to the six lanes and now four lanes with talk of expanding further.</p>
<p>My question.</p>
<p>Better or worse?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 13:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My position all along as been that Feds should maintain Fed routes, States should maintain State routes, and Counties/Cities should maintain County/City roads. Basic concept there is &quot;You built it, you maintain it.&quot;

With the proposed route in question, VERY few homes will be impacted - mostly farm/forest land. You&#039;ll note that I&#039;m also in favor of the Leesburg Overpass, which has similar characteristics (though a much shorter route).

I maintain that eminent domain should be RARE - but nor should a few landowners be able to scuttle a genuinely much needed project such as the 411 Connector.

Peviously, You&#039;ve asked me a similar question to the one I&#039;m about to ask you, grift:

Have YOU ever lived along US 41 in Cartersville? Have you ever lived within 20 miles of ANY of the area directly affected by the construction of this road?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My position all along as been that Feds should maintain Fed routes, States should maintain State routes, and Counties/Cities should maintain County/City roads. Basic concept there is &#8220;You built it, you maintain it.&#8221;</p>
<p>With the proposed route in question, VERY few homes will be impacted &#8211; mostly farm/forest land. You&#8217;ll note that I&#8217;m also in favor of the Leesburg Overpass, which has similar characteristics (though a much shorter route).</p>
<p>I maintain that eminent domain should be RARE &#8211; but nor should a few landowners be able to scuttle a genuinely much needed project such as the 411 Connector.</p>
<p>Peviously, You&#8217;ve asked me a similar question to the one I&#8217;m about to ask you, grift:</p>
<p>Have YOU ever lived along US 41 in Cartersville? Have you ever lived within 20 miles of ANY of the area directly affected by the construction of this road?</p>
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		<title>By: griftdrift</title>
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		<dc:creator>griftdrift</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 13:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s quite a change in position Jeff. Please explain how this use of eminent domain is appropriate.

The fact is once you decide a particular candidate is WRONG, you become blind to any other possibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s quite a change in position Jeff. Please explain how this use of eminent domain is appropriate.</p>
<p>The fact is once you decide a particular candidate is WRONG, you become blind to any other possibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 13:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Handel is the one that connected the Connector to the Northern Arc (they have ALWAYS been separate projects, and even during the couple of years they were packaged together, they were still distinct projects in the package). That is QUITE a leap, and shows she doesn&#039;t know what the hell she&#039;s talking about.

I&#039;ve always said that eminent domain should be used RARELY, and in this project I think this will be the case - Handel&#039;s contributors are the only property owners along this route that seem to have a problem with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Handel is the one that connected the Connector to the Northern Arc (they have ALWAYS been separate projects, and even during the couple of years they were packaged together, they were still distinct projects in the package). That is QUITE a leap, and shows she doesn&#8217;t know what the hell she&#8217;s talking about.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always said that eminent domain should be used RARELY, and in this project I think this will be the case &#8211; Handel&#8217;s contributors are the only property owners along this route that seem to have a problem with it.</p>
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		<title>By: griftdrift</title>
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		<dc:creator>griftdrift</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 13:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Calling this a conspiracy theory is quite a stretch.

And it&#039;s supremely ironic that someone how once advocated road maintenance responsibility shifting as you cross county/city lines is now advocating a highway that would be the biggest use of eminent domain in decades.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Calling this a conspiracy theory is quite a stretch.</p>
<p>And it&#8217;s supremely ironic that someone how once advocated road maintenance responsibility shifting as you cross county/city lines is now advocating a highway that would be the biggest use of eminent domain in decades.</p>
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