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	<title>Comments on: Why I Want to Support Bobby Franklin But Can&#8217;t</title>
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		<title>By: apacheangel</title>
		<link>http://swgapolitics.com/index/2009/12/15/why-i-want-to-support-bobby-franklin-but-cant/comment-page-1/#comment-6525</link>
		<dc:creator>apacheangel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 13:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Jeff,

If you actually listen to Mr. McBerry without preconceived notions, you would find that, while he is prepared for the worst, he agrees that war (and secession for those who think he is of that mindset) is the last resort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Jeff,</p>
<p>If you actually listen to Mr. McBerry without preconceived notions, you would find that, while he is prepared for the worst, he agrees that war (and secession for those who think he is of that mindset) is the last resort.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 09:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Naomi,

I can deal with disagreement, that really isn&#039;t a big deal to me. As far as people not knowing your name: You would be surprised how far your name can travel without you ever actually going anywhere. It was a lesson I learned early in life, and it is a lesson I try to remember at all times.

However, even my position is not spineless. Instead, it is born out of the realization of just how horrible war truly is. We Americans have truly been blessed - we&#039;re one of very few places on this planet that hasn&#039;t seen war on our own soil in nearly 150 years now. The day may come when we have no other choice, but even then I refuse to fire the first shot, nor will I advocate that those who agree with me on the issues do so. As things currently exist, there are simply too many tools built into the system that liberty advocates can peacefully use to change the way things are, and therefore to call for war, or to even push us in that direction, is folly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Naomi,</p>
<p>I can deal with disagreement, that really isn&#8217;t a big deal to me. As far as people not knowing your name: You would be surprised how far your name can travel without you ever actually going anywhere. It was a lesson I learned early in life, and it is a lesson I try to remember at all times.</p>
<p>However, even my position is not spineless. Instead, it is born out of the realization of just how horrible war truly is. We Americans have truly been blessed &#8211; we&#8217;re one of very few places on this planet that hasn&#8217;t seen war on our own soil in nearly 150 years now. The day may come when we have no other choice, but even then I refuse to fire the first shot, nor will I advocate that those who agree with me on the issues do so. As things currently exist, there are simply too many tools built into the system that liberty advocates can peacefully use to change the way things are, and therefore to call for war, or to even push us in that direction, is folly.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 03:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bobby Franklin ia a paranoid,  pathetic nut case. But then what would you expect from someone who believes Ray McBerry would make a good governor? What sickens me most is how they hide behind the cross to promote ther christianazi views. There vision for our state is enough for one to realize what a bunch of nut cases they all are. Anyone remember Jenny asking Rays campaign  voluenteers to hang McBerry campaign signs illegally from our states bridges? They dont even know the states highways right away laws, yet they think they could manage our state? Scarey huh? Losers such as Franklin and McBerry deserve one another. I just feel sorry for the poor souls who are being MISrepresented by Franklin. Mr, Franklin must be the laughing stock of the legislature!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bobby Franklin ia a paranoid,  pathetic nut case. But then what would you expect from someone who believes Ray McBerry would make a good governor? What sickens me most is how they hide behind the cross to promote ther christianazi views. There vision for our state is enough for one to realize what a bunch of nut cases they all are. Anyone remember Jenny asking Rays campaign  voluenteers to hang McBerry campaign signs illegally from our states bridges? They dont even know the states highways right away laws, yet they think they could manage our state? Scarey huh? Losers such as Franklin and McBerry deserve one another. I just feel sorry for the poor souls who are being MISrepresented by Franklin. Mr, Franklin must be the laughing stock of the legislature!</p>
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		<title>By: apacheangel</title>
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		<dc:creator>apacheangel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 03:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no intention of &quot;hiding&quot; behind an &quot;online presence.&quot; It is merely the name I chose to use several years ago for most of my online dealings, and most people who know me, know it is me, and those who don&#039;t know me, wouldn&#039;t be any the wiser simply by knowing by name, considering my insignificance.

That said, my reply was poorly worded. I should have said you position was spineless, rather than you yourself. I thought that was implied, obviously it wasn&#039;t. I did not intend to make any personal attacks on your character, particularly since I don&#039;t know you. 

I completely disagree with your position, and that was what I intended to convey. I apologize for my poor wording.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no intention of &#8220;hiding&#8221; behind an &#8220;online presence.&#8221; It is merely the name I chose to use several years ago for most of my online dealings, and most people who know me, know it is me, and those who don&#8217;t know me, wouldn&#8217;t be any the wiser simply by knowing by name, considering my insignificance.</p>
<p>That said, my reply was poorly worded. I should have said you position was spineless, rather than you yourself. I thought that was implied, obviously it wasn&#8217;t. I did not intend to make any personal attacks on your character, particularly since I don&#8217;t know you. </p>
<p>I completely disagree with your position, and that was what I intended to convey. I apologize for my poor wording.</p>
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		<title>By: Russ22</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russ22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 01:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps it&#039;s not a perfect analogy. Does the government have ANY right to protect the public health?  That should be my question, rather than comparing chlorination and vaccination.

Not everyone is forced to immunize their children in spite of the huge public benefit that has been proven over the years...waivers are given for religious reasons, for example. There are many diseases that have been eliminated from our society because of these mandatory immunizations (e.g., polio, smallpox).  Measles and mumps, which are very dangerous, especially for kids, are making comebacks because people have refused to vaccinate for whatever reason, usually due to unproven (by any rigorous scientific study) fears about possible side effects.  

We simply do not have to live with these terrible diseases, or even think about them very much, due to mandatory vaccinations.  I can appreciate the basic philosophy that if the government is forcing me to do something, then it must be wrong. (If I&#039;m over-simplifying, then I can stand to be corrected). My main point is this:  I believe the gov&#039;t has an important role in protecting the public health from these dread diseases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps it&#8217;s not a perfect analogy. Does the government have ANY right to protect the public health?  That should be my question, rather than comparing chlorination and vaccination.</p>
<p>Not everyone is forced to immunize their children in spite of the huge public benefit that has been proven over the years&#8230;waivers are given for religious reasons, for example. There are many diseases that have been eliminated from our society because of these mandatory immunizations (e.g., polio, smallpox).  Measles and mumps, which are very dangerous, especially for kids, are making comebacks because people have refused to vaccinate for whatever reason, usually due to unproven (by any rigorous scientific study) fears about possible side effects.  </p>
<p>We simply do not have to live with these terrible diseases, or even think about them very much, due to mandatory vaccinations.  I can appreciate the basic philosophy that if the government is forcing me to do something, then it must be wrong. (If I&#8217;m over-simplifying, then I can stand to be corrected). My main point is this:  I believe the gov&#8217;t has an important role in protecting the public health from these dread diseases.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 00:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Russ,

I&#039;m with Wilson. If you can show where people who get their water from private wells are forced by government regulation to also chlorinate their water, you MAY have a point, but for now the issue of chlorinated water vs mandatory vaccinations is apples v oranges.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russ,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m with Wilson. If you can show where people who get their water from private wells are forced by government regulation to also chlorinate their water, you MAY have a point, but for now the issue of chlorinated water vs mandatory vaccinations is apples v oranges.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 00:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ApacheAngel (aka Naomi C Brown)

I had a much longer reply and lost most of it, but here is the piece regarding you calling me &#039;spineless&#039;:

Let&#039;s see, since 2004, when I was your age, I have fell flat on my face for a year and built myself back up, taught in the classroom for a year, been featured in articles in the Atlanta Journal Constitution, the Albany Herald, and the Lee County Ledger, been featured in at least a couple of reports on regional news television here in Albany, operated a political blog which I created where I&#039;ve written nearly 400 posts under my own name, ran for City Council, organized and founded a local affiliate of the Party I most believe in, been elected to the State Executive Committee of said Party, attended local City Council and County Commission meetings - and wrote about my thoughts on them, spoken at said meetings, developed professional relationships with a wide variety of politicians and political activitsts of nearly every political persuasion, and even managed to have a personal life throughout all of that where I&#039;ve achieved everything I ever wanted outside of having a child. I&#039;ve done every bit of that under my own name, where people can know me and attack me face to face.

Yet you, Ms Brown, try to hide online under the moniker &#039;apacheangel&#039; because you are too afraid to stand up and be counted. So you sit back in your relative online anonymity and take pot shots at people you disagree with, whether they be politicians, bloggers, or simply private citizens. I see that you are just as crazy as Jenny Hodges, Bobby Franklin, and Ray McBerry, who you clearly idolize. But what makes them better than you is that at least they have the courage to stand for what they believe under their own names in public - even when they know full well they may be the only ones there with the beliefs they have.

I&#039;ll leave you with this line from &quot;A Few Good Men&quot;, since I think it applies here:

&quot;I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a [wo]man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said &quot;thank you,&quot; and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest that you pick up a weapon and stand a post. Either way, I don&#039;t give a damn what you think you are entitled to. &quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ApacheAngel (aka Naomi C Brown)</p>
<p>I had a much longer reply and lost most of it, but here is the piece regarding you calling me &#8216;spineless&#8217;:</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s see, since 2004, when I was your age, I have fell flat on my face for a year and built myself back up, taught in the classroom for a year, been featured in articles in the Atlanta Journal Constitution, the Albany Herald, and the Lee County Ledger, been featured in at least a couple of reports on regional news television here in Albany, operated a political blog which I created where I&#8217;ve written nearly 400 posts under my own name, ran for City Council, organized and founded a local affiliate of the Party I most believe in, been elected to the State Executive Committee of said Party, attended local City Council and County Commission meetings &#8211; and wrote about my thoughts on them, spoken at said meetings, developed professional relationships with a wide variety of politicians and political activitsts of nearly every political persuasion, and even managed to have a personal life throughout all of that where I&#8217;ve achieved everything I ever wanted outside of having a child. I&#8217;ve done every bit of that under my own name, where people can know me and attack me face to face.</p>
<p>Yet you, Ms Brown, try to hide online under the moniker &#8216;apacheangel&#8217; because you are too afraid to stand up and be counted. So you sit back in your relative online anonymity and take pot shots at people you disagree with, whether they be politicians, bloggers, or simply private citizens. I see that you are just as crazy as Jenny Hodges, Bobby Franklin, and Ray McBerry, who you clearly idolize. But what makes them better than you is that at least they have the courage to stand for what they believe under their own names in public &#8211; even when they know full well they may be the only ones there with the beliefs they have.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll leave you with this line from &#8220;A Few Good Men&#8221;, since I think it applies here:</p>
<p>&#8220;I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a [wo]man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said &#8220;thank you,&#8221; and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest that you pick up a weapon and stand a post. Either way, I don&#8217;t give a damn what you think you are entitled to. &#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 18:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then it’s a poor analogy.  If the government were dictating what you had to put in your private water supply because they thought it was good for you your question would make more sense.  Chlorinating a public water supply to help insure the quality of the product the customers buy just doesn’t equate to a forced medical procedure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then it’s a poor analogy.  If the government were dictating what you had to put in your private water supply because they thought it was good for you your question would make more sense.  Chlorinating a public water supply to help insure the quality of the product the customers buy just doesn’t equate to a forced medical procedure.</p>
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		<title>By: Russ22</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russ22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not kidding. It&#039;s a serious question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not kidding. It&#8217;s a serious question.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I don&#039;t agree with Jeff that these bills will equal war (there&#039;s a lot of other possible scenarios there), I&#039;m going to take issue with one thing you said.

You dared to call Jeff &quot;spineless&quot; because he doesn&#039;t want to go to war the the Federal Government.  Agree, disagree, whatever.  But Jeff posts opinions on local politics in an area where everyone knows everyone.  He posts opinions that aren&#039;t popular, even with some without our own party, and &lt;em&gt;he&lt;/em&gt; does it using his real name.  Disagree all you want, but to call a man spineless because he disagrees with &lt;em&gt;one&lt;/em&gt; thing like war is pathetic.  Especially when you enjoy anonymity that Jeff, Bill and I forsake by writing for this site.

Make no mistake, Jeff and I both want all our rights.  But war should be the last resort, and neither of us believe we&#039;re at the point where that&#039;s necessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I don&#8217;t agree with Jeff that these bills will equal war (there&#8217;s a lot of other possible scenarios there), I&#8217;m going to take issue with one thing you said.</p>
<p>You dared to call Jeff &#8220;spineless&#8221; because he doesn&#8217;t want to go to war the the Federal Government.  Agree, disagree, whatever.  But Jeff posts opinions on local politics in an area where everyone knows everyone.  He posts opinions that aren&#8217;t popular, even with some without our own party, and <em>he</em> does it using his real name.  Disagree all you want, but to call a man spineless because he disagrees with <em>one</em> thing like war is pathetic.  Especially when you enjoy anonymity that Jeff, Bill and I forsake by writing for this site.</p>
<p>Make no mistake, Jeff and I both want all our rights.  But war should be the last resort, and neither of us believe we&#8217;re at the point where that&#8217;s necessary.</p>
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